I am starting a new campaign and I decided to use the rules for Long Term play but one thing hit me. The Advance that gives you a valet/manager/enforcer, it seems a bit useless after it costs more than 1-2 Advances. Even before then it is really just an excuse for how you get hold of that folding chair and doesn’t change anything. Would anything break if I just decided that if it fits the story, you get a manager?
I am starting a new campaign and I decided to use the rules for Long Term play but one thing hit me.
I am starting a new campaign and I decided to use the rules for Long Term play but one thing hit me.
Im pretty sure creative can give them a manager if they want.
Nothing will break! The difference in intention (perhaps not well spelled out) is that if you buy it with an Advance, the manager/etc “belongs” to the player and they have the authority over the relationship and how things go. If it happens naturally through the course of the game or though Creative’s choice, they’re more fragile – what Creative giveth, Creative taketh away.
I have a similar gripe with dedicated tag teams. It just seems kind of fragile the way you can just do a heel face change and the advance is just gone. For house rules I have considered making it that you can spend your heat with them(if you have max), after teaming with them for 4 matches to get the dedicated team. Sort of just an alternate path for getting one. I would also give like a reforming rule, if the team ever breaks up they can always get back together if they are both heels or faces.
I just figured they’d get their advance back to spend on something else when the tag team, inevitably, breaks up.
Two questions from last nights play:
1. The Hardcore can make any match a hardcore match, is there any reason for him not to? On the one hand that is his schtick, but we talked about it and thought it might become a bit samey, but I can’t really think of good reasons to deny him something that he is supposed to be able to choose as part of the Gimmick. Is the intent that pretty much every match the Hardcore is in SHOULD be a hardcore match?
The same quiestion goes for that Monster move that allows him to create a special match/stipulation, can always choose to make any match he is booked in have that stipulation and gets +2 Momentum if he does. It seems like any match he is in from that point on….well… I get that I can always talk to the player, but is there really any reason for the player not to try to make every match have their stipulation?
2. The Luchador used his Tradicional Move and got to book the next step in the Feud, after we had finished up and gone home I realized that the wording means he might get to book the finish of the match he booked as well, is that the intent of the move?
1. There’s no strong reason for them not to, no. In my experience the player themselves ends up wanting the variety of saving the Move for a big match after the first couple of episodes of always doing it. You can also use a Hard Move, if it comes up, to change the stipulation, or other wrestlers can add additional stipulations to tilt the fictional circumstances more into their favor
2. Judgement call depending on the context, I think. Generally an unmasking is probably the peak of the match, right, so it wouldn’t necessarily swerve the immediate booking. The intent is that it puts “what happens next” squarely in the hands of the player and what they want to see happen as a result of the unmasking.
Perhaps a bit more detail on the second question: The Luchador is involved in a feud with the Heel Hardcore that has involved the Luchador’s father being “banned forever” from the promotion as the result of a match stipulation. Last episode the Luchador and the Shoot Fighter faced the Hardcore and the Provocateur in a tornado style elimination tag team cage match during which the Hardcore tried to remove the Luchador’s mask. The Luchador player rolled 10+ and chose to cover up in time and to book the next step. His choice was to book a regular match (which actually meant that for once the Hardcore won’t be in a hardcore match) but I was wondering if he should be allowed to book the result as well.
Yes, a tornado style tag team cage match was total chaos, but the players came up with some really inventive moves and seemed to have fun passing control of the match around and engaging in really crazy stuff. Only one of the players have watched wrestling in the past 20 years, but they all got in to it with gusto.
Oh, yeah, book the finish for the upcoming match is within the bounds, I think. My intention is that booking a step in a feud is a little more inclusive than just making another match happen.
That tornado tag match sounds awesome!
Ok, I’ll let him know that he can book the result, I guess I’ll have to fill him in on all the options for results in wrestling, but I might as well write down a list and post it to our facebook group.
The Tornado match was a lot of fun. We played two episodes in one day so we got a lot of stuff going. We played from 1 pm to 4.30 pm and then again from 6 to 9-ish with a break for some late lunch/early dinner and watching wrestling. Currently there are 4 players.
The promotion is my version of what might have happened if Turner never bought GCW and the mondat night wars never happened. Wrestling in the US became more and more cartoonish and kinda died but was revived in the late 90’s/early ’00s in part by AAA supported shows in the US, thus was born a new promotion on the east coast with ties to AAA (there is a rival major promotion on the west coast with ties to japan, but we are not playing in that one): East Coast Wrestling (the acronym is intentional).
The Provocateur was a wrestler stuck in developmental hell until someone noticed he looked a lot like a certain US presidential candidate, and The Grump was born “Make Wrestling Great Again” is his motto and he has thus far been able to insult pretty much everyone. Is a Heel (we figured that such a character would take short cuts). Finisher: Grump Tower (vertical suplex)
The Hardcore, Bill “the Bull” Jackson, as a character is more or less based on ideas from Florida Man, did initially ally with the Grump, but as you’ll se that may not turn out so great. Heel as well. Finisher: CannonBull (Spear w. Cannonball variant).
The Shoot Fighter, Roger Wilson, a true heavyweight MMA-fighter who never really got his MMA-career going outside of RINGS and other wrestling/MMA promotions in japan.
Babyface. Finisher: Flying Armbar
The Luchador: El Chupacabra III, a high flying luchador who has so far failed every promo, but he does great things in the ring.
Babyface. Finisher: the player hasn’t made up his mind for a name yet (630 senton).
In the first episode El Chupacabra had his father along (both in masks of course) and they were celebrating their first major win as a tag team in a AAA PPV (before the campaign started) when the Grump interrupted and started talking about mexicans, it all resulted in a match with the stipulation that El Chupacabra Jr. would be banished from ECW if the Grump won, which he did. The Grump had been removing the cover of the turnbuckle while getting some water and his face dabbed with a towel from an assistant, El Chupacabra III went for a splash in the corner missed and was taken up into Grump Tower. El Chupacabra III managed to get a revenge match booked for next episode.
The Shoot fighter and the Hardcore faced of in a no DQ match which got the Audience really going. The Shoot Fighter lost his cool and headbutted Jackson for real after taking a beating with a folding chair. He got yelled at backstage a lot for that. Bill Jackson also jumped El Chupacabra III backstage, telling him to “fuck off back to Mexico” and then managing to get booked as The Grumps tag team partner.
In episode 2 a lot of promos were cut and stipulations and partners were added, it ended up being in a steel cage, tornado style tag team, elimination (i.e. only ending when both people got out or pinned). We agreed that if you had to pass control you had to pass it to someone on the opposing team but other than that we didn’t really need any house rules.
Some highlights in the match itself was the Luchador using his tag team partner to perform “Sliced Bread” on the Hardcore, The Hardcore keeping a podium that the Grump had used to adress the audience before the match and using it as a weapon, The Hardcore doing a CannonBull one everyone and wailing on them with a kendo stick (which naturally lead to the arguments between him and the Grump). In the end The Hardcore tried to remove the Luchadors mask, who rolled a 10+ and covered up in time and also got to book the next step in that feud, the Hardcore was clotheslined by the Shootfighter and the Grump snuck out and abandoned the Hardcore who was pinned.
A lot of it was totally chaotic, we had tons of fun. I had a hard time doing commentary for that last match as I was keeping track of the rules and laughing my ass off.