Hi you all

Hi you all

Hi you all,

Here I am to ask feedback on two playbooks we are playing out in our campaign (Mauro Ghibaudo  Fabio Succi Cimentini  Mario Bolzoni  Steve DeCarli  and I).

What feels wrong for us, on the Doomed and Nova playbooks, is the absence of playbook’s moves. This way, customization isn’t really present at creation, and future choices when you get experience (potential) are very limited.

Is that a a feeling others got?

Magpie Games  Brendan Conway 

I’d add the following discussion about the Playtest report (sorry for the log text):

We played some session, here some thought:

– About the Doomed:

At least a GM move Doomed-related is still linked to the old version: “Offer a chance to further their cause”, but the cause was replaced by the Nemesis, so a double check about that could be useful.

It could be useful to have some hint about how to use the “What brings your Doom closer?”; for example, can the GM use it on a 6- (“You overexteted yourself, mark the Doom Track”, or “You still succeed, but”), or on a 7-9 on Unleash your powers? (Like “You can succed, but only if you overexert yourself”, but this would be neither an unstable nor a temporary effect, it’s a condition for the success.)

Also, I was wondering: why did you remove the Dooms list? There were some interesting Doom, my whole character concept come out of that list (plus the Vitality absorption power), so I was curious about why you removed it instead of leaving it (maybe with a “Create your own” added?).

– About Conditions:

“*To clear Angry*, hurt someone or break something important”: there was a bit of discussion if “important” refers also to someone, or just to something: is hurting a person important enough per se, or has it to be an important person?

The action to clear Hopeless seems off with respect to the others: while the other actions makes your life somehow more complicated, “fling yourself into easy relief” seems to miss that aspect, so we were wondering if it’s to make the game more light, or what’s the reason.

– About Moves:

When you accept what someone with Influence over you says, the GM shifts your Labels; we were wondering about letting the character’s player shifting them, since it’s the player that knows what was trying to get the character to accept. We didn’t have any problem in having the GM shift them, but the natural approach was for the player (so, we went something like “Shift my Labels. No, right, it’s the GM”).

About Pierce the Masks, it seems to us there is half a move missing: all the questions seems to be somehow mask-related, being an inquire about a plan, about what the other wants to do (that seems overlapping), etc.; what we missed was some question like “What are you feeling?” “Are you saying the truth?” “Are you hiding anything?”, something to see the person behind the masks – that seems quite the point of the move.

Team Moves and Moment of Truth: these are more for maximum clarity than anything else, but since Team Moves – given the name – seems to trigger only when applied towards teammates, maybe the wording would be clearer as When you […] with a teammate, rather than “with someone”? And, about Moment of Truth, it’s not explicitly said anywhere that after unlocking it you can use it just one time: it’s implied, since you can unlock it two times, but maybe something like “*After you unlock your Moment of Truth*, you can activate it once at any time”?

Please let me also know if more feedback, if we’ll have any more, could be useful, since the playtesting term ends in a coupla days.

This started out as a reply to the discussion between Danielle Hohensee and co, but got crazy long and went on a bit…

This started out as a reply to the discussion between Danielle Hohensee and co, but got crazy long and went on a bit…

This started out as a reply to the discussion between Danielle Hohensee and co, but got crazy long and went on a bit of a tangent.  But since the topic is one I’ve seen come up a few times amongst my own groups as well as here on G+ (including a bit in that discussion by Doyce Testerman that’s exploded into a jillion comments while I was sleepin’!) I figured I’d make it its own thing so as to not derail that thread.

The topic at hand: Unleash Your Powers as a blasting-bad-guys combat move, and its use compared & contrasted to Directly Engage.  The when and how of inflicting Conditions is an adjacent topic, but also distinct from this one in its own ways, so I’m not touching on it (yet).

Open discussion!  Agree, disagree, caveat, food for thought, personal experiences, all of the above; I spiel like I know what I’m talking about but mostly I’m just brainstorming out-loud about how the game works in the absence of a full rulebook, ’cause having to write it out helps me nail down what I actually think about stuff.

Unleash Your Powers, as I see it, is a creative problem-solver, and only used for fighting-type stuff as a last resort.  It’s a toolbox, not a weapon.  Primarily, it enacts change in the situation; the examples in the original thread of shutting down shields or knocking things around are spot-on.  It creates barriers, melts stuff, moves things (including yourself), and lets you do lots of other creative stuff with your powers other than blasting dudes.  The key to it (and most moves in Masks, I’ve found) is looking at what it straight-up says you’re doing coupled with the 7-9 results.  Particularly in the case of Unleash, “you do it” and “miss” at either end of the spectrum don’t give much context to anything, so 7-9 is where you wanna focus.  Then if you’re not doing one of the actions described, or you can’t think of how the result would be stressful (marking a Condition), unstable or temporary, it’s probably not a situation you should be Unleashing in to begin with.  This move’s applications are quite vague — by design I’m pretty sure — and if you get creative with it you can make the rules apply to a lot of different situations, meaning it’ll often overlap with another move (when Daredevil does his thing, is he “extending his senses” or “assessing a situation”?).  A lot of the time I tend to process-of-elimination it by looking at the other moves that might apply and seeing if they do, falling back to Unleash as a backup plan if other things don’t seem to fit.

On that note, with this combat-ruling discussion, the key points of Directly Engage are that it’s versus a threat and that you trade blows.  So the only real criteria for it to come into play is that you’re trying to hit someone where it hurts — could be physically, or emotionally, or psychologically, or… spiritually? — and they’re willing and able to hit you back, too.  Other considerations like range or the powers involved don’t really matter, as long as those two things are true.  For example, having a fist fight can obviously be Directly Engaging, but so can having a bitter argument with someone over the phone; you’re just trading emotional or psychological blows instead of physical ones.  

In a more superpowered Nova-type example, flying 500 feet above a group of evil henchmen and raining fireballs on them is still Directly Engaging (and potentially Reality Storming) as long as they’re aware of you and are shooting their evil laser rifles back up at you, or can otherwise threaten you.  If they’re aware of you but can’t really do much about it, they’re not a threat to you, and so the situation doesn’t fit the Directly Engage criteria.

If that’s the case (or they’re not aware of you and you’re just raining hellfire on them out of the blue like a superpowered stealth bomber) it’s up to the GM to call it based on the situation.  I think a lot of GMs would want a roll of some kind and rule it as an Unleash, though the broadness of that move makes the 7-9 results a bit awkward to play out without some creativity (feel Guilty for setting a bunch of people on fire? temporarily set them on fire/scatter/suppress them? interpret “unstable” as “uncontrolled” and have some collateral happen?).  Personally, if you were completely blindsiding some guys like that, I probably wouldn’t even call a roll; I’d just let it happen and move on.  Good job leveraging your strengths, hero, let’s play to find out what changes. 😉

On the flip side, let’s say your friend the Bull is on the ground with the mass of laser-rifle-toting goons, and he likes to get up close and personal.  The faceless henchmen are aware of him, and they have numbers and laser rifles, but it doesn’t matter because this guy’s invulnerable skin eats lasers for breakfast and his immense super strength means they’d struggle to even restrain him — meaning, in the scenario I’ve presented, he’s not going to bat an eye at anything they can throw at him and so despite him punching them in their stupid evil faces, Directly Engage wouldn’t apply, because there’s no threat.  If he does just want to start punching these jerks out, he probably either just can without a roll (again, GM call) or he could be reshaping his environment to have way less conscious laser henchmen in it, thus rolling an Unleash with similarly-awkward 7-9 results, as above.  

(Note that if the goons could slow him down with their numbers and other objectives were at stake, he could be under threat of wasting time and Directly Engage would be back on the menu, but I’mma keep it simple).

The real question, however, both fictionally and mechanically isn’t what he’s doing but why he’s doing it.  Punching dudes is fine, and if that’s all that matters in the situation, see above.  But if his purpose for it is to cause a ruckus and distract them so that your flying Nova self doesn’t get shot out of the sky, he’s Defending you (with his fists!) despite you being 500 feet skyward.  Or he could be making a big show of how laughably-easy thumping the goon squad is in order to Provoke their villainous leader into a rash course of action.  Or if he’s just trying to punch a path through the henchmen in order to reach said villain, that’s a pretty clear Unleash with the Bull trying to overcome an obstacle.  And when he gets there, maybe the big bad villain can physically harm him, or has enough presence to hit him where it hurts in his sentimental Bull heart, in which case when those two square off he’s finally, clearly Directly Engaging in the traditional facepunch sense.

So, basically, like everything else in Masks, I feel like it’s down to context.  When my player says “I want to blast that dude with fireballs”, I ask to what end — to open the door for it being a variety of situationally-appropriate moves — and if it’s just in the vein of “because I want him to go down” then Directly Engage gets the first look.  But if the criteria for it don’t fit, because there’s no threat one way or the other… unless I feel a pressing need to introduce the possibility of failure, maybe we don’t touch the dice at all, ’cause Unleash isn’t really built for straight-up fighting, at any range.  And if the heroes do find themselves in a situation where they can engage bad guys without being threatened, getting what amounts to an auto-success shouldn’t be able to derail a scene anyway, because those 10+ results were on the cards already.  And if that foils my villainous plans, well, there’s always next time (Gadget!).

Well, I just found a group that’s going to be playing Masks, and I’m curious, since I don’t know much about it and…

Well, I just found a group that’s going to be playing Masks, and I’m curious, since I don’t know much about it and…

Well, I just found a group that’s going to be playing Masks, and I’m curious, since I don’t know much about it and my ST isn’t on right now. What is a Powerful Blow?

Well, eight sessions in to our regular Masks game (yes, we also have had irregular ones), and characters are hitting…

Well, eight sessions in to our regular Masks game (yes, we also have had irregular ones), and characters are hitting…

Well, eight sessions in to our regular Masks game (yes, we also have had irregular ones), and characters are hitting the advanced-advances. We just had a switch-playbooks and a take-a-new-playbook at the end of last session. Things are getting exciting! The team has a purpose, a name, enemies, and, soon, a new member.

Thanks, Brendan Conway, for making such an excellent game. I can’t wait to see what the finished product will look like.

Just finished our first session of Masks, and a couple questions came up that I didn’t know how to answer.

Just finished our first session of Masks, and a couple questions came up that I didn’t know how to answer.

Just finished our first session of Masks, and a couple questions came up that I didn’t know how to answer. Any help is appreciated.

1. On someone rejecting someone’s influence: Does the “immediately act to prove them wrong” option require action other than speaking? Twice in the first session I was asked if they could just respond with a retort for that option.

2. On bringing your doom closer for the Doomed: Is that meant to be entirely player/character choice? For most choices it seems obvious that it is, but our Doomed took “Injuring innocents” as hers, and then she chose to overexert herself and it resulted in a failed unleash your powers, which then resulted in heavy, shattered glass falling on surrounding civilians, injuring them. What it comes down to is, when it’s an accidental fulfillment of the requirement for bringing your doomed closer, does it still go into effect?

So, something posted in another thread got me thinking about Lois Lane and the whole archetype of plucky friends &…

So, something posted in another thread got me thinking about Lois Lane and the whole archetype of plucky friends &…

So, something posted in another thread got me thinking about Lois Lane and the whole archetype of plucky friends & love interests that don’t have superhero identities or superpowers but still proactively uncover and thwart villainous plots, even if they may need to call in their superhero friends to actually do the beat-up-the-villain part.  Now I’m pumped to play a Beacon who fits that archetype.  Lots of Provoke and Pierce the Mask, Straight up Creepin’ and Won’t let you down.

Clarification on the move, Take a Powerful Blow (edited for clarity):

Clarification on the move, Take a Powerful Blow (edited for clarity):

Clarification on the move, Take a Powerful Blow (edited for clarity):

Conditions section says “If you need to mark a condition and have no more conditions to mark, you are taken out. You lose consciousness or flee.” Meanwhile the Take a Powerful Blow move has varying effects which include losing consciousness or fleeing – depending on the result of the roll. This leads me to think that the move is intended whenever you take “a blow”. Wrong or no?

So…I don’t like the Nova getting the Bulls Heart advancement.

So…I don’t like the Nova getting the Bulls Heart advancement.

So…I don’t like the Nova getting the Bulls Heart advancement.

To me advancements are about growing up and growing into your own.

The Bulls Heart seems more childish, black and white, coming from emotional insecurity or instability.

To advance INTO that just seems odd.

Thoughts?

I love themed comics. We talked a little before our last Masks game start and here’s our extended team.

I love themed comics. We talked a little before our last Masks game start and here’s our extended team.

I love themed comics. We talked a little before our last Masks game start and here’s our extended team.

All powers come from the Source (which we referred to as the AllSpark). In one way or another magic touches most things Super in this world.

Our planned team consisted of:

A Slayer like lady, tattooed and mystically enhanced (the Bull).

Mike Masters aka Mage (Sorcery Nova)

A bestial shapeshifting emissary from the Eastern Wilds (Outsider)

A vampire (Doomed)

The Revenant (a lightning/frankenstein styled Transformed)

How people handle overcoming obstacles with Mask characters?

How people handle overcoming obstacles with Mask characters?

How people handle overcoming obstacles with Mask characters?

I have used powers, directly engage and defend, but each has a bit strange feel, expecially on the stuff you choose.

I though on adding a label shift thing for this.

So if you are trying to rush into burning building I ask “Do you see yourself brave enough? Do you succeed?”

If you succeed increase Danger (and reduce something), if you can’t do it increase Mundane (and reduce something).

The idea is here that overcoming a threshold – even without somebody saying you are something – can by itself define your self image somewhat though reflection.

The situation need to be really major and definative to have definitive Label change, but I think I need something like this.

Other way could be that I handle Fire, Fear etc to have infleence over a person and the infleunce need to be overcomed.

Any ideas?